The last episode of “Survivor” was a lesson in “twos.” Two immunity challenges, two tribal councils, two shocking votes, and two lovely ladies headed to the jury.
But, it was also a lesson in “toos.” Russell is too paranoid when it comes to his position in the game, Jerri wasn’t too comfortable with her place in the Villains alliance, and Danielle was getting too close to Parvati.
I had a chance to (see, another “to”) speak with the two newest members of the jury, Candice Woodcock and Danielle DiLorenzo, to find out what it’s like to be stranded on a beach with Russell, how Jerri’s moves shocked them both, and who’d really win in a fight between Danielle and Amanda.
Gordon Holmes: Candice, were you shocked when the Villains had agreed to vote Colby out of the game and Jerri got everyone to go against you instead?
Candice Woodcock: I was actually really surprised. Obviously I thought I was safe or I wouldn’t have gotten down for peanut butter at the immunity challenge. (Laughs) I was very nice to Jerri all the time. I like her, I slept next to her. But thinking about it, I don’t know exactly what their alliance was. Maybe she felt like she was near the bottom of the alliance and I had moved up. If I was in her position I would have done the same thing.
Danielle DiLorenzo: She saw you and Russell and she thought you might have replaced her. I think that’s why she wanted to get rid of you. And also the fact that you flipped. We were thinking that since you flipped once you could flip back.
Candice: Everyone thinks that, but my thinking is once you’ve flipped, the people you flipped against will never take you back. But I guess that’s not what people think.
Gordon: Staying on Jerri and the moves she made last episode, Danielle were you shocked at how easily Jerri flipped against you at tribal council?
Danielle: I almost felt like Jerri had some sort of jealous thing toward me for most of the game. I thought I’d won her over, but she was very close to Russell. She was riding his coattails. He could make her do whatever he wanted her to do. He was controlling her. He threatened her like he threatened everybody else. I just wish that she’d have thought about our alliance with me and Parvati.
Gordon: Do you think the Villain women could’ve made a move to boot Russell?
Danielle: We could have pulled Sandra in and Rupert and Colby and gotten Russell off. That was my next move.
Gordon: When your names appeared on the “Survivor: Heroes Vs. Villains” cast list a lot of people (including me) were left scratching their heads. Did you feel like the fact that you weren’t as well known as some of the other players meant you had something to prove?
Candice: I didn’t really feel like I had anything to prove. I don’t have a chip on my shoulder about anything. I thought it was kind of an advantage. You don’t want to be the biggest name out there.
Danielle: All of the other people had big targets on their backs, like Parvati and Amanda. It was stressful for them. And I think we both proved our worth.
Gordon: Danielle, during the last episode you said that you trusted Russell 110 percent. It’s comments like that that drive our message boards crazy. Was that game play, or did you actually trust Russell that much in the game?
Danielle: I did, I trusted him to a certain extent. I knew once it got down to the wire that I couldn’t trust anybody. I was playing him too, I was making him think, “Don’t worry, I’d never turn on you.” They didn’t show it, but I had talked to Sandra and Parvati about voting him out. My next move was to get him off. But I was trying to make him comfortable, to think that I’d never make a move on him.
Gordon: Now Candice, it seems like you were never really able to get a foothold in an alliance. Was that by design so you could play different angles or were you just having trouble clicking with people?
Candice: I think I had a problem from the very beginning. A lot of people are friends, and knew each other. I’m not saying they had an alliance or anything like that, but if you know somebody you feel more comfortable with them to begin with. I think that in the beginning the Heroes were all suspicious of me because the biggest thing I was known for was the mutiny and switching tribes. So they didn’t want anything to do with me because they thought I should be a Villain. And to be honest, I thought I should have been on the Villains tribe. And the way I play the game I think I would have done much better if I was on the Villains. The Heroes wouldn’t listen to me from the beginning. I’d say things and JT would pretend like he didn’t even hear me. I was miserable.
Gordon: I noticed at different points you’d go to tribal council wearing body paint that said “I Love Somebody.” I don’t remember the names, but I think both of you did it at one point. I guess my question here is, when are we going to see some “I Love Gordon” paint? Like when you’re both on “Survivor: 30” can we make this happen?
Candice: (Laughs) You’ll have to ask my husband.
Gordon: If you could ask him for me, I’d appreciate it.
Danielle: I don’t have a husband, so I can do the “I Love Gordon.”
Gordon: Excellent. I’ll keep my eyes peeled.
Danielle: (Laughs) I hope you have your DVR set.
Gordon: Has Colby checked out?
Candice: Oh God, yeah. He checked out a long time ago…day two. In challenges, in strategy play, I don’t know, he’s just off. I thought that maybe he’d turn it on and that was part of his strategy. But as the days went on it never happened. He just checked out. He would go on these long walks and sit out and meditate in the water for hours. It was so weird. One time when we were trying to get rid of James I had to drag Colby out of the shelter because they were trying to vote Colby out. I pulled him out of the shelter and pulled him into the circle of conversation. I’d tell him to be part of the team or else he was going home. It was just so weird. And when I watched the show last week, when Colby was strategizing with Sandra my jaw dropped. I couldn’t believe Colby was talking strategy with anybody.
Gordon: I spoke with Amanda last week, and I asked her if she had a straight-up fight with Danielle who would win. She said she would’ve won. I’m interested in your prediction on that fight.
Danielle: She’s from the Midwest and I’m from Boston. I kickbox, box, I’ve fought. I’d kick her butt. Sorry, Amanda.
Gordon: Candice, I’m sorry…but this means you have to be the tie-breaker.
Candice: Oh gosh, here’s the problem with that, I already betrayed Amanda and I voted her off and I feel really bad about that…so I can’t…
Gordon: C’mon, Candice.
Candice: I think Danielle would win.
Candice: Amanda is too sweet. Danielle will get nasty if she has to. Danielle is very sweet, but she has some fight in her.
Gordon: Danielle, I don’t want to cause any trouble, but I’m from the Midwest.
Danielle: Oh no! I wasn’t saying it like that. In the Midwest they don’t fight.
Danielle: That wasn’t a knock on the Midwest, there’s just a different mentality.
Gordon: I’m not starting trouble. You could probably beat me up too.
Gordon: A hot debate on our forums is whether or not Russell Hantz is the best player of all time. Now that you’ve seen “Samoa” and experienced “Heroes Vs. Villains” how do you feel?
Danielle: He’s not the best player in this game. Just judging from the way he played last time, getting all the way to the end and not having the respect of the jurors. That to me is not the best player in the game. Part of the game strategy is knowing the people you voted out along the way. So, if you play the game with no integrity, no humanity, no respect for people, then yeah, you played a nice game but then you won’t win a million dollars. That to me is the best player.
Candice: I think there’s something kind of pathologic about him. It’s great to watch how aggressively he plays. It’s very interesting, but if you think about it, in real life, people don’t get in your face and threaten you, that doesn’t happen to people.
Gordon: I’m told that happens all the time in Boston.
Candice: (Laughs) Well, that’s why Danielle knew how to handle him.
Candice: But the thing is, when he came up and started threatening me in the episode where I voted for Amanda, I didn’t know what to do. I’m not used to someone being that aggressive with me. It’s weird and it’s kind of creepy.